i went to this site recently that said that the reason y crunches and so forth dont help is because u are strengthening the muscels but u arent getting rid of fat. the fat hides the muscels. i was bummed when i heard this cuz i want a smaller waist and s/he kept going on bout how only one method works to losing weight and she found it yada yada but u have to pay to find out. sigh. anyways BB.